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Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) Speaks House Votes to Form Select Committee on January 6 Attack. Aired 10:30-11a ET
Aired July 1, 2021 - 10:30 ET
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JIM SCIUTTO, CNN NEWSROOM (voice over): Speaking live now about her plans for commission for the January 6 attack select committee. Let's listen now.
REP. NANCY PELOSI (D-CA): -- for us to have been able to have a bipartisan commission passed in the House in a bipartisan way. It got majority vote in the Senate in a bipartisan way -- to get the 60 votes. They asked for another week, another week, another week, another week, and at the end of last week said we can't do this until 2023. So we can't wait that long. Then we went right into motion to establish this select committee.
As you can see, I am very proud to be able to announce the members of that committee this morning. Our chairman will be Bennie Thompson, he's chair of the Homeland Security Committee and negotiated the bipartisan commission and we thank him for his leadership, Chair Zoe Lofgren, House Administration Committee, which is having key hearings as committee jurisdiction for the safety of the Capitol, intelligence being very important to this, Chair Adam Schiff of the Intelligence Committee, Pete Aguilar, House Appropriations Committee, that is a committee of jurisdiction for this, as well as member of the House Administration Committee. I'm saying this in seniority order.
Congresswoman Liz Cheney, of the Armed Serviced Committee has patriotically agreed to serve on the committee. She has a family matter that she's dealing with and may joining us depending on how long this takes. But we're very honored and proud that she has agreed to serve on the committee.
Representative Stephanie Murphy of Armed Services Committee, Representative Jamie Raskin, a constitutional scholar as you all know, Oversight Committee. That is a major committee of jurisdiction, the committee on oversight, also on the Judiciary Committee which has standing in all of this.
And then we're proud that Elaine Luria, a Navy veteran, captain of the ship -- (INAUDIBLE) what was the title?
REP. ELAINE LURIA (D-VA): Retired commander.
PELOSI: Retired commander, oh, my gosh, and member of the Armed Services Committee. Her interest in this is longstanding in the Congress. She's also a member of the Homeland Security Committee.
Now, I just wanted to read the bill. It is really important for you all to know what our purpose is for this, and that is that the findings of the legislation speak to the testimony of the director of the FBI when he basically said there were more deaths from domestic terrorism than from global terrorism in our country in the previous year, testimony from the Department of Homeland Security about concerns that are out there, all of these institutions talking about, well, I hate to even go there, but it is what they have said in terms of white supremacy, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, all of the attitudes that have well contributed to what happened on January 6. And so that is our purpose.
Do we have -- you could go to speaker.gov to read the findings, which establish the purpose of what we are setting out to do to make sure that this never happens again.
I just put out a press release so you have the names of the members on the committee. Again, it was our hope that we could have done this with a bipartisan outside commission. Maybe one day, that will be possible. It took 14 and a half months for the 9/11 commission to be signed into law. Perhaps this is on the horizon.
But in the meantime, then and in the meantime now, it is going to be a congressional investigation. Then I happen to be a co-chair of that investigation, and it was bipartisan and bicameral. As you can see, it might be hard to do bicameral since they limit the investigation on their side as to what we can look into. But I'm very proud.
And as I say, decisions are liberating. They enable you to go to the next step. And the next step for us is always been to seek and to find the truth. We want to do so in the most patriotic and nonpartisan way so that the American people have confidence in the results.
Now it is my pleasure to yield and as I announce the chairmanship of this committee to be the chairman, Chairman Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, a person who has fought such a long time to call to the attention of the American people the issue of domestic terrorism. We're very proud of his services and his leadership on that committee and very honored that he has agreed to serve as the chair of the select committee. Mr. Thompson.
REP. BENNIE THOMPSON (D-MS): Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I thank you for your steadfast commitment to getting to the truth behind the January 6th domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol. Next week will mark six months since the world watched in horror as Americans violently stormed the citadel of our democracy to try and stop Congress from carrying out our constitutional duties to certify a presidential election.
Over the last six months, at every turn, we've been laser-focused on doing whatever it takes to get to the bottom and to deliver the truth for the American people. You met Republicans more than halfway in an effort to stand up in a bipartisan independent commission. The reason I say that is I participated in negotiating what was to be negotiated and you did a good job. I thought from the standpoint, it should have been approved. We passed it in the House. Unfortunately, we could not get the Senate to do likewise.
So we come to where we are today. Your source of the select committee and the approval by the House in doing so and the membership behind me, we'll do our job.
We'll do it according to the oath we took as members of Congress, but more importantly, we have to get to the bottom of finding out all the things that went wrong on January 6.
I look forward to working with the members of the select committee, both Democrats and Republicans. I chair the House Homeland Security Committee. We have the reputation as being one more bipartisan committees in Congress. And that is because we work hard at it.
I look forward to coming up with the causes and effect. It will come in due time. I can't give it a timeline. We'll let the facts help determine how long we'll meet. But I assure you that the product will be a product based on investigation, based on what those investigations bring forth, and there is nothing sacrosanct in this review that won't be brought out in the end. Thank you.
PELOSI: Thank you so much. Any questions? No? No questions? Well, we anticipated them all. Okay.
REPORTER: House Minority Leader McCarthy --
PELOSI: I'm not responding to him. We're making our presentation here. Go ask him about what he says, okay.
REPORTER: -- who accept your appointment to the committee.
PELOSI: I'm sorry, what?
REPORTER: McCarthy said he would strip the committee's assignments of Republicans who take their appointments --
PELOSI: Well, go -- that is a matter for the Republican Caucus. We are full of responsibility and duty and patriotism and almost joy as we go into the 4th of July weekend as we observe the birth of our nation, that we are committed to doing something that honors the vision of our founders. It is going to be a high level and it is going to justify the support of the American people.
It's not political, so I'm not getting involved in any discussion about what goes on in the Republican Caucus.
Any other questions? Yes, please. REPORTER: Madam Speaker, Congresswoman Cheney is going to serve and you said you've appointed here. Can you walk us through what that conversation was like, why she said yes to you, what you asked of her?
PELOSI: The question resembled Congresswoman Cheney's public statements. And, by the way, I saw your, this morning, this is not about some of the things that you had there. It is about what is in the bill as to what our purpose is. Our purpose is not any phone call that McCarthy made or something like that. It is about protecting our country from the negative forces that provoked that attack on the Capitol.
REPORTER: May I follow up with a separate question very quickly. Earlier this week, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar was on our --
PELOSI: Well, stay with this and I'll answer that (INAUDIBLE), but we have some of the best leaders in the Congress on this subject and I'm sure they would be happy to answer any questions that you have.
What do you have today?
REPORTER: Madam Speaker, I wanted to ask if would you like to see former President Trump testify before the committee and if there is a chance that the committee will subpoena him.
PELOSI: The committee -- I had made the appointments. The committee will make its decisions and we look forward to Republicans making their appointments to the committee so they can be part of those decisions.
REPORTER: Chair Thompson, I just wanted to ask you about -- and Madam Speaker, about the importance of McCarthy's conversation with President Trump.
PELOSI: I'm not going into that now. The committee will establish working with staff what the priority of timing is on how we go forward. We're not having that discussion right here now in this room.
REPORTER: When do you anticipate getting started? I mean, McCarthy could choose his -- are you going to wait for him to choose his people or are you going to -- what is your --
PELOSI: Well, we'd hope that they would choose them expeditiously.
REPORTER: And if they don't?
PELOSI: Well, we have a quorum.
REPORTER: You have a --
PELOSI: A quorum.
REPORTER: Quorum, okay.
PELOSI: Let me go back to the purpose, because your presentation this morning reminded me that we probably have to remind people what the purpose of this is. Whereas on January 6, 2021 was one of the darkest days of our democracy during which insurrectionists attempted to impede Congress' constitutional mandate to validate a presidential election.
This is something that is very important to all of our members, including, I might be able to say, because she's said it publicly, Congresswoman Cheney, that peaceful transfer of power, it is a hallmark of democracy.
And then the Department of Homeland Security issued on January 27th a national terrorism advisory system bulletin calling our attention the need to act so that this doesn't happen again, because there are perceived grievances fueled by false narratives could continue to mobilize or incite to commit violence, and then, of course, the threats of violence again that I referenced from the director of the FBI. It goes on and on.
But I think it is really important, speaker.gov, if you go there, if you go here, you'll have a clear path.
On any of these questions to any of our -- being the chair of the Homeland Security Committee, do you want to say anything about how we --
REP. ZOE LOFGREN (D-CA): Well, House administration committee has held a series of hearings primarily with the inspector generals looking at deficiencies in the management of the Capitol Police. And, unfortunately, we have found many.
But that is not about what spurred the attack. That's about the response, the fact that there were deficiencies in the management of the Capitol Police didn't cause the riot. So we will make sure that the interim steps to be more safe at the Capitol continue. But it is not a substitute for finding out what happened here. What caused a mob of Americans to think that they were somehow supporting the Constitution when they tried to disrupt the constitutional process of counting the Electoral College votes? Who paid for it? How was it organized? We need to find that out to keep the country safe.
I thank you, Madam.
PELOSI: Thank you. In terms of the Capitol Police, they saved our lives. We'll be forever grateful to them. They enabled us to return so that we could honor our constitutional responsibility prescribed in the Constitution as January 6, not just any day did they have their -- as the Republicans describe it, normal tourist day in the Capitol. No. It was a date prescribed in the Constitution. They came to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power.
And how could the Capitol Police ever suspect that the president of the United States would incite an insurrection? So we want to support them, we want to shore up any shortcomings in -- not only personally but also physically for the Capitol. But let us always salute them for what we've done, and they did. And I'm so glad that in both Houses, we have voted a gold medal to salute their courage.
Intelligence has been a very important part of all this. Mr. Schiff, did you have something you wanted to say?
REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D-CA): Thank you, Madam Speaker. We know that there was intelligence collected prior to the attack and we know that there was intelligence that was not collected that was available to help law enforcement identify in far greater depth and detail the danger to the Capitol that day.
Why that intelligence wasn't gathered, whether the intelligence that was gathered was appropriately shared, whether that intelligence was acted upon? These are just some of the questions that we have been looking at in the Intelligence Committee. But, frankly, I have not been able to get sufficient answers.
And it is certainly my hope and expectation that with the specific focus on the events of January 6 of the select committee, with a staff dedicated to that purpose to uncovering why didn't we see this coming, what kind of advanced warning did we have, should we have had, what are the appropriate mechanisms that law enforcement can use to identify when there is a threat to the nation's Capitol and how that information could be shared. It is my hope that through our efforts, we can get those answers and put additional pressure as needed on the agencies to be forthcoming with that information so that we can could prepare for the future.
PELOSI: Thank you, Mr. Schiff.
Another -- Mr. Aguilar serves on two committees of jurisdiction, the Appropriations Committee and House Administration Committee. Did you want to share some thoughts about --
REP. PETE AGUILAR (D-CA): Thank you, Madam Speaker. And I just wanted to underscore that the focus of this is on seeking the truth.
The focus is on making sure that the American public understands the threat to democracy that took place on January 6.
But there were real people affected by those actions. 140 Capitol Police officers injured, some of them permanently that day. Five people lost their lives. People were barricaded here in the Capitol. Members were affected. Everyone touched by January 6 deserves to find the truth of what transpired, what led up to it, and how we could protect our democracy moving forward.
So I'm honored to be part of this group. I look forward to Chairman Thompson's leadership and with working with my colleagues. Thank you.
PELOSI: I want them to self-introduce so that you hear more from them than from me.
REP. STEPHANIE MURPHY (D-FL): I'm Congresswoman Stephanie Murphy, and I fled a country where political violence was how political transitions were made. And I've never lived a day in this country where I haven't been proud to live in a democracy, to have the freedoms that this country offers, but I also understand I have a responsibility to protect our democracy.
And so it broke my heart to be in this building on January 6th and see the kind of political violence that occurred in the country I fled and in countries that I worked on when I was at Department of Defense, happening here in our country.
And so I look forward to executing my responsibility on this committee to understand fully exactly what happened on January 6th, what is motivating domestic terrorism and how we build a better whole of government approach to addressing domestic terrorism and how we secure the citadel of democracy here at this Capitol.
PELOSI: I'm so proud of Stephanie Murphy's patriotism. She came to America as a baby from Vietnam and she -- she's always talked about how much her family appreciates America. And she, of course, has served our country very well in the Department of Defense, now in the Congress of the United States. But her story is one that is the American dream many times over.
I now want to yield to the distinguished no stranger to any of you because he served on so many committees of jurisdiction in this regard, Judiciary House Administration and core, the committee on oversight, Mr. Jamie Raskin.
REP. JAMIE RASKIN (D-MD): Madam Speaker, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. The Oversight Committee has been conducting for several years now an investigation into violent white supremacy. The Department of Homeland Security has declared domestic violent extremism the number one security threat in the country. And we saw that threat explode right in front of us on January 6th.
So, the impeachment trial of Donald Trump determined, I think, by robust bipartisan, bicameral majorities who incited the violence on January 6th. But we need to figure out who organized the violence on January 6th, how did they organize it and why did they organize it. What were the purposes of the different critical actors who were present on that day? That is why this investigation is critical for every American living and as yet unborn, because we need to defend our democracy with everything that we've got.
And so it is a great honor to be able to serve on this select committee under Chairman Thompson and with these wonderful colleagues. Thank you, Madam Speaker.
PELOSI: Thank you. Now, a title that very few in the Congress have a right to, but we're very proud that Elaine Luria has decided to serve in Congress, Commander Elaine Luria. LURIA: Well, thank you, Madam Speaker. And I stand here today as someone who served two decades in uniform. The first time that I took the oath to protect and defend our Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, I was 17 years old entering the Naval Academy. And I never thought that fast-forwarding to today, I would be standing here serving in this capacity looking into why we have a violent mob attack our Capitol, the process of a smooth transition of government.
And like all of my colleagues here have said, we have to get to the bottom of this and this can't be a partisan thing. I think I back to my time on many deployments of one aircraft carrier deployment to the Middle East and we're simultaneously launching strikes against terrorist targets in Iraq and Afghanistan, foreign terrorist targets.
But one thing about serving in the military is that we don't ask about political party. It is not about partisanship. I didn't turn to the sailor next to me operating the nuclear reactors and saying are you a Democrat or a Republican? Truly, it was about accomplishing a mission and I hope that this committee can come together, can accomplish that mission together and we can leave behind any of that veil of partisanship at the door because these are answers that the American people need and deserve about why this happened in our country and getting to the bottom of it is really the first step in making sure that it can't happen again.
So, thank you to madam speaker for appointing me to this committee and I look forward to working with my colleagues.
PELOSI: Thank you so much. I've been informed that we have four minutes left in the Invest Act. We're very proud of that legislation. That is part of our purpose here to do good things for the people.
I just wanted to say how proud I am of this select committee, so glad that Bennie Thompson will be leading it for us, and so glad that it will be bipartisan from the start. We're proud that Liz Cheney has made the public -- excuse me Liz Cheney has made the public statements that she has made and that she has agreed to join the committee. Another time she will say her why and her purpose. But she has spoken very clearly about the committee and that gives us great confidence that we'll be able to work in a nonpartisan way for the people.
And as we go into the 4th of July with great pride in the fact that we will be closer to the truth because of the willingness of such a distinguished group to take this responsibility. Thank you all very much.
POPPY HARLOW, CNN NEWSROOM: All right. There you have House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the committee members that she has chosen to help lead this House select committee to investigate what happened, what led to the insurrection on January the 6th. And Liz Cheney named as a Republican to join. It was interesting, Jim, when she was asked to describe the conversations with Congresswoman Cheney. She said they're very similar to her public statements.
And you have some reporting also on Adam Kinzinger.
SCIUTTO: That's right, that he was not asked to join this committee, he, of course, the only other Republican who voted yes along with Democrats to form the select committee. So, Cheney will be the one out of the eight who is a Republican.
HARLOW: Because it was 13, so that would have made seven then Republicans and six Democrats.
Dana Bash what, are your thoughts?
DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: You know, I think the most important thing to keep in mind as we hear the lineup for this committee is that it wasn't supposed to be like this. There was going to be, and the desire of the speaker and early on, the stated desire of many Republicans was to have a select special independent commission, ala-the 9/11 commission, that would have taken -- I mean, obviously, there are always politics, but taking the direct political players, most elected officials, out of the process so that we, as Americans, could get real answers, just like we did after 9/11. It took a while. but we got real answers and a lot of recommendations, most of which were implemented to change the way that America does business.
And that is not going to happen now. And it is not going to happen now because, by definition, this is a partisan enterprise made even more so because of the fact that although the speaker wouldn't answer questions about Kevin McCarthy, Kevin McCarthy is threatening, according to CNN reporting, any Republican who dames to get to the bottom of this as part of this select committee being done because there is no commission, they will be stripped of their committee assignments.
And the only one who doesn't want to did it, as you were mentioning, Jim, the only one who doesn't care, who is willing to take that risk is Liz Cheney.
SCIUTTO: Yes. Although Adam Kinzinger was asked about that threat and his answer to reporters was who gives a -- an S-H-asterisk-T.
SCIUTTO: So he's not pulling his punches either.
BASH: But it's not going to be -- fair point. It is not going to be an even panel. I mean, it is not even going to be close to even. There will be Republicans represented.
SCIUTTO: Exactly. I mean, there was, as you know, and we reported there was a proposal for an even split, right? And that was the one that went before Congress, which was rejected, and so here we are. If we were going to ask the question what could pierce partisanship on Capitol Hill, a violent insurrection on January 6th is not it.
HARLOW: Dana, thank you very much. We'll hand this off to the next hour. We appreciate you being here, and for everyone, for all the breaking news over the last two hours, thanks for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow, I'm Poppy Harlow.
SCIUTTO: And I'm Jim Sciutto.